{"id":11308,"date":"2017-11-27T20:05:26","date_gmt":"2017-11-28T01:05:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ben-sternke-live.prev17.rmkr.net\/?p=11308"},"modified":"2025-03-07T18:54:58","modified_gmt":"2025-03-07T22:54:58","slug":"disciple-immature-prophet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/es\/disciple-immature-prophet\/","title":{"rendered":"How To Disciple an Immature Prophet (APEST Series)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Have you ever noticed that some people seem to be wired up to <em>question everything?<\/em>\u00a0They\u2019re always seeing what\u2019s wrong, what\u2019s unjust, what could be improved. They care about whether we\u2019re living out the right values or not.<\/p>\n<p>They tend to ask questions that upset the status quo and bring us back to our most fundamental values. These are people the Bible calls\u00a0<em><strong>prophets,\u00a0<\/strong><\/em>and they\u2019re great! But they can also be terribly annoying and completely unproductive, especially if they\u2019re\u00a0<em>immature<\/em>\u00a0in their gifting.<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->It\u2019s important for us as leaders to be able to recognize the immature prophets among us, and disciple them to maturity so they can fulfill their ministry in the Body of Christ.<\/p>\n<p>But discipling a prophet is a lot different than discipling someone gifted in another way, so let\u2019s talk about the unique challenges and opportunities of discipling immature prophets.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11368\" src=\"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/megaphone.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" \/><em>This article is part of <a href=\"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/es\/apest\/\">a series on discipleship and APEST<\/a>, and it\u2019s adapted from an article I\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/thev3movement.org\/2016\/03\/immature-prophet\/\">originally published for the V3 Movement<\/a>.\u00a0Here are the links to other articles in this series:<\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><a href=\"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/es\/disciple-immature-apostle\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">How To Disciple an Immature Apostle<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/es\/disciple-immature-evangelist\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>How To Disciple an Immature<\/em> <em>Evangelist<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/es\/disciple-immature-shepherd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>How To Disciple an Immature Shepherd<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-style: italic;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/es\/disciple-immature-teacher\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">How to Disciple an Immature Teacher<\/a><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Five gifts for the church<\/h2>\n<p>The way I\u2019m using the word \u201cprophet\u201d comes from the Apostle Paul. They\u2019re mentioned in\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Ephesians+4%3A11-13&amp;version=NIV\">Ephesians 4:11-13<\/a>, where he is laying out five different gifts that God gives his church. These gifts are actually\u00a0<em>people<\/em>\u00a0that God has gifted and then given to the church\u00a0to build it up and bring it to maturity and unity.<\/p>\n<p>(This is sometimes called\u00a0<strong>APEST<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Shepherds, Teachers.\u00a0If you\u2019ve never heard of this, check out\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.theforgottenways.org\/what-is-apest.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Alan Hirsch\u2019s brief descriptions<\/a>, or\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vy-B0OJ4Ie4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">JR Woodward\u2019s video introduction<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>Paul\u2019s assumption is that the church needs to grow into the fullness of her identity in Christ, and that these five gifts are crucial to that happening.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, we\u00a0<em>need<\/em>\u00a0prophets in our churches if we\u2019re going to grow into maturity. The problem is that mature prophets don\u2019t grow on trees. Prophets normally come to our churches immature, in need of encouragement and shaping. How can we do this faithfully and effectively?<\/p>\n<h2>You might be a prophet if\u2026<\/h2>\n<p>Before we talk about\u00a0<em>immature<\/em>\u00a0prophets, let\u2019s talk about prophets in general. How are they Christ\u2019s gift to the church?<\/p>\n<p>First of all, \u201cprophets\u201d can be a bit of a polarizing term. It\u2019s easy to think of Old Testament prophets with their fantastic visions and strange behavior. We can also imagine Nostradamus-like figures, predicting obscure happenings in a far-flung future.<\/p>\n<p>But a better way to think of prophets is that they are simply\u00a0<strong>people who are in touch with God\u2019s values and care a lot about whether people and organizations are living those out or not<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Here are some signs of prophets\u00a0in general:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>They often enjoy spending time alone with God and sense his heart clearly.<\/li>\n<li>They care deeply about values and integrity, and often sense before anyone else when an organization is drifting from \u201ctrue north\u201d in these areas.<\/li>\n<li>They are able to stand back from circumstances and get a clear picture of what\u2019s\u00a0<em>really<\/em>\u00a0going on underneath the surface.<\/li>\n<li>This clarity oftentimes enables them to come up with creative and innovative solutions that others don\u2019t see.<\/li>\n<li>They are outside-the-box thinkers, and tend to disrupt the status quo.<\/li>\n<li>They are future-oriented, and tend to see opportunities and dangers before everyone else.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I know this gift well because I am a prophet (still feels weird to say that). This is how I\u2019ve operated in almost every team I\u2019ve ever been part of. I ask questions that can disrupt the status quo, because I want things\u00a0to be\u00a0<em>better\u00a0<\/em>and more aligned with (what I see as) God\u2019s values.<\/p>\n<h2>Signs of an immature prophet<\/h2>\n<p>But prophets\u00a0need to grow from immaturity to maturity, just like all of us.\u00a0Their greatest strength is also their greatest weakness.<\/p>\n<p>In my relentless drive for\u00a0<em>better<\/em>, I can make others feel inadequate and discouraged. I have trouble continuing to\u00a0<em>move<\/em>\u00a0and <em>act<\/em> on my convictions\u00a0because I strive for perfection in everything. People have told me they feel like they can never \u201cmeasure up\u201d with me, and that it\u2019s hard to disagree with me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Here are some signs of an immature prophet:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>They talk about their perspective as though it was simply \u201cthe truth.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>Because they think they are the ones who really \u201cget it,\u201d they can form elite cliques in churches that destroy unity.<\/li>\n<li>They jump from church to church because they keep finding problems in each.<\/li>\n<li>They become frustrated when\u00a0their ideas aren\u2019t\u00a0accepted and implemented immediately.<\/li>\n<li>They have to point out every inconsistency\u00a0or problem they see. They can\u2019t hold their tongues.<\/li>\n<li>They have a hard time accepting people right where they\u2019re at.<\/li>\n<li>They tend to live in their heads, because their idealism is cleaner than the real-world messiness of ministry.<\/li>\n<li>They tend to isolate themselves or only associate with those who think like them.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Does that remind you of anyone? Maybe you notice these characteristics in yourself?<\/p>\n<p>One temptation we encounter with immature prophets is to <em>use them<\/em>\u00a0for their ability to think strategically and their willingness to work hard. Immature prophets create a culture where people are trying to do the right thing, and it\u00a0can be tempting to\u00a0ignore their immaturity in order to keep everyone \u201cmotivated.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But frankly, the easiest temptation is to simply <em>reject<\/em> an immature prophet, because <strong>they can be<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>some of the most annoying people you\u2019ll ever meet.<em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>It\u2019s really easy to wish that immature prophets would just go away. I know leaders who have prayed for God to \u201cmove them on\u201d because the criticism just would not stop!<\/p>\n<p>But while some immature prophets will leave your church of their own accord (because you\u2019re doing it wrong), it\u2019s not loving or wise to\u00a0<em>use them<\/em>\u00a0or\u00a0<em>reject them.<\/em> Instead, we learn to\u00a0<em>disciple them.\u00a0<strong>How do we disciple immature prophets when we find them in our churches?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<h2>How to disciple an immature prophet<\/h2>\n<p>In some ways, what prophets need to grow in discipleship is the same thing that everyone needs:\u00a0<strong>an abundance of both grace and truth<\/strong>\u00a0(this is one of the main competencies we train for in\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/gravitycommons.com\/es\/find-your-center\/\">our coaching<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>We calibrate grace in discipleship by offering connection and compassion in an authentic relationship. We calibrate truth in discipleship by holding\u00a0<em>reality<\/em>\u00a0in front of others non-anxiously.<\/p>\n<p>This calibration looks different for a prophet than it does for an evangelist or apostle. The grace and truth they need takes on a certain shape.\u00a0<strong>So what does grace and truth look like for\u00a0prophets?<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>Offering grace to an immature prophet<\/h2>\n<p>Here are a few things I\u2019ve learned about offering <em>grace<\/em> to an immature prophet:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Prophets need space in their schedule for\u00a0<strong>prayer and connection with God<\/strong>. Affirm this and help them make space for it.<\/li>\n<li>Similarly, prophets need permission to\u00a0<strong>rest and retreat<\/strong>. They tend to be \u201ccreatives\u201d who need times of rest for their ideas to grow up.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need to know their gift is important \u2013\u00a0<strong>affirm them and what they\u2019re seeing<\/strong>. The rejection they often receive because of their harshness is very painful, even if they don\u2019t realize it.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need an atmosphere of\u00a0<strong>permission to get it wrong<\/strong>. They need to know they won\u2019t be rejected if they share something immaturely or if they\u2019re wrong about something they were sure about.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need\u00a0<strong>safe spaces to experiment<\/strong>. Create a playful, no-pressure environment.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need<strong>\u00a0language that helps them qualify their revelations<\/strong>\u00a0as something God \u201cmight\u201d be saying, rather than a \u201cthus saith the Lord\u201d approach.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need to know they are\u00a0<strong>valued apart from their gifting.\u00a0<\/strong>That they don\u2019t\u00a0<em>need<\/em>\u00a0to \u201chave a word from God\u201d or know what to do to be valued in community.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Offering truth to an immature prophet<\/h2>\n<p>Here are a few notes on offering <em>truth<\/em> to an immature prophet:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Prophets\u00a0need to learn\u00a0<strong>empathy and patience\u00a0<\/strong>with those they disagree with.\u00a0Challenge them to take the long view when it comes to discipleship.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need to\u00a0<strong>submit their ideas and revelations to the community<\/strong>\u00a0for interpretation (1 Cor 14:26). The prophet can never be the sole interpreter of her message.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets will need training to help them\u00a0<strong>deliver their ideas with humility and grace.\u00a0<\/strong>Instead of\u00a0\u201cThus saith the Lord!\u201d try \u201cI could be wrong, but what I sense God might be saying is..\u201d<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need to be reminded that\u00a0<strong>they don\u2019t have the whole picture<\/strong>. The interpretation and application of their revelation is for the\u00a0<em>whole community<\/em>\u00a0to discern.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need to learn to\u00a0<strong>speak \u201cJesus truth\u201d that sets people free<\/strong>, instead of mere \u201cfact truth\u201d which can often bind people in fear and shame.<\/li>\n<li>Prophets need to remember that\u00a0<strong>they need the whole body of Christ,<\/strong>\u00a0that God is not just a \u201cvoice,\u201d that the other gifts really matter.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Apostles and prophets together<\/h2>\n<p>It\u2019s worth noting that the apostle and prophet gifts seem to work together well to establish and build new works. There seems to be something powerful about the apostle-prophet partnership that helps new things start.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Apostles without prophets<\/strong> tend to be all frenetic and aimless energy that eventually drifts from the core vision. Prophets\u00a0help to keep apostles on the \u201cstraight and narrow\u201d with their inconvenient questions about why we\u2019re veering from the vision.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Prophets without apostles<\/strong> tend to be endlessly tweaking their ideas until they\u2019re perfect, but there is a lack of movement. Apostles help prophets \u201cget moving,\u201d and decide when things are \u201cgood enough,\u201d so we can launch something that will bless others.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>If you\u2019re an apostle, pray for a prophet to join you! They\u2019ll rub you the wrong way <em>every single day<\/em>, probably, but you need them.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re a prophet, pray for an apostle to join you! It will be hard to deal with their relentless push for <em>movement<\/em>, but it will be a good kick in the pants for you.<\/p>\n<h2>Questions for reflection and discussion<\/h2>\n<p><strong>Do you know an immature prophet? Reflect on your experience with them.<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>What did you find frustrating? What was invigorating?<\/li>\n<li>What have you done well? What mistakes have you made?<\/li>\n<li>After reading this article, what is your next step in discipling this person?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Have you ever intentionally discipled a prophet?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>What have you learned in this process?<\/li>\n<li>If you are a prophet, what has been most helpful in your growth?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em><strong>Leave a comment below to join the conversation!<\/strong><\/em><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Have you ever noticed that some people seem to be wired up to question everything?\u00a0They\u2019re always seeing what\u2019s wrong, what\u2019s unjust, what could be improved. They care about whether we\u2019re living out the right values or not. 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